Alessandro Bosshard, nrog rau nws tus khub ntawm lub koom haum ntawm Swiss Pavilion, tau txais lub Golden Tsov ntawm 2018 Venice Biennale rau Lub Tebchaws Zoo Tshaj Plaws.
Cov ntawv nug xam phaj yog muab los ntawm Strelka Lub Chaw Haujlwm rau Media, Architecture thiab Design.
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Hnub no kuv yuav qhia koj txog qhov project uas peb tau ua rau lub tuam txhab Swiss pavilion - Svizzera 240: Ncig Saib Tsev. Kuv yuav tsum tau hais tias qhov kev lom zem tag nrho no tau pib nrog kev sib tw qhib pib los ntawm tsoomfwv Swiss. Muaj ntau ntawm cov ntawv thov - los ntawm cov tuam tsev loj thiab me me. Peb muaj hmoo heev: Switzerland tau xaiv ib lub tswv yim ntau dua li qee qhov project zoo. Peb xav pib sib tham txog lub architecture uas peb paub, uas yog sib paub me ntsis rau peb uas peb tsis pom nws, nws yog qhov tsis pom. Tam sim no kuv txhais tau tias qhov nruab nrab ntawm cov vaj tsev nyob niaj hnub, cov chav tsev tshiab. Nws zoo li rau kuv tias thoob plaws ntiaj teb no cov neeg sab hauv zoo ib yam nkaus, zoo ib yam tsawg kawg nyob rau sab hnub poob. Feem ntau cov no yog ntsa, pob zeb tsev, pem teb.
Qhov project yog raws li peb cov kev tshawb fawb txuas ntxiv. Hauv lwm lo lus, peb tsis tau sim los nrog qee yam ib qho-tawm, qee qhov ib qhov. Peb tau sim los tsim cov lus nug, tsis muaj cov lus teb npaj tau. Qhov chaw pib rau peb yog cov lus tsocai […] los ntawm xyoo 2002: “Sab hauv tau raug txo thiab raug kho rau qee yam uas tsis muaj ib qhov haujlwm ntawm no rau cov kws ua vaj tsev. Tsis muaj cov duab ntawm sab hauv, vim txhua chav nyob tib yam, txhua chav tsev puav leej yog tib yam. Lawv muaj cov kauj ruam pheej yig, phab ntsa, qhov rooj thiab lwm yam. Nws tsis muaj teeb meem yog hais tias nws yog tsev neeg kev nyob tus kheej, los yog, hloov pauv lub tsev nyob kom zoo nkauj. Cov kauj ruam tom ntej yog tias sab hauv yuav tsuas ploj mus kiag li. " Qhov tseeb, [nws muaj] ntau txoj cai sib txawv, ntau txoj cai, tus kws tsim vaj tsev tsis txhob xav rov saib sab hauv ntawm cov tsev uas lawv tsim.
Lub lim tiam dhau los no, piv txwv, nyob hauv peb lub chaw saib kev ua haujlwm hauv tsev kawm ntawv peb tau sib tham txog kev sib tw architectural tom ntej, tham txog kev cai thiab kev cai. Peb txhua tus pom zoo tias […] Cov neeg sab hauv tsev muaj kev txhawj xeeb ntau dua li cov kev coj noj coj ua thiab cov ntawv xov xwm nrov dua li cov kws ua vaj tsev.
Ib nqe lus nug tseem ceeb: yuav ua li cas hloov me me sab hauv yuav hloov peb qhov kev pom ntawm qhov chaw (qhov tob ntawm qhov chaw, kab pheeb suab, cov ntsiab lus)? Piv txwv li, lub qhov rais qhib. Lub qhov rooj qhib qhib saib ntawm lub toj roob hauv pes, yuav ua li cas qhov chaw tas li ntws los ntawm ib chav mus rau lwm chav, teeb pom kev zoo, kab pheeb ces kaum. Kuv tus kheej nyiam daim duab no.
Peb tau ua dab tsi? Peb tau coj ntau pua daim duab los ua cov khoom siv kos duab thiab tsim kom muaj cov sawv cev ntawm cov huv huv, cov chav tsev huv si nrog phab ntsa dawb. Peb xav coj qhov tsis pom ntawm sab hauv tuaj rau hauv ua ntej. Peb tsis xav dai cov duab xws li, tab sis peb xav ua tus sawv cev kos duab kom pom ib sab qauv, uas koj tuaj yeem mus rau. Koj nkag mus hauv pavilion, txhua yam zoo li paub heev, xws li ib chav tsev dog dig. Tom qab ntawd koj tig mus rau sab xis thiab pom lwm qhov chaw sib piv, thiab maj mam koj paub ntau thiab ntau dua tias txhua yam tsis raws li koj xav, cov tsis muaj feem ntau sib txawv: qee chav muaj tsawg heev, qee chav yog loj heev, qee qhov chaw hloov pauv, cov proportions feem ntau yog ua txhaum.
Peb tau hu peb qhov chaw ua haujlwm ncig xyuas tsev, uas yog ncig xyuas ntawm chav tsev uas tsis tau ua tiav. Peb xav coj cov keeb kwm yav dhau los ua ntej, coj los ua ntej qhov peb feem ntau tsis paub. Piv txwv, lub qhov rooj nkag. Lub qhov rooj tsis tau tsim nyog ua haujlwm, lawv tsuas yog yuav tsum ntsia zoo li lub qhov rooj, peb tsis xav ua haujlwm. Ib zaug ntxiv, peb tau ua si nrog cov sib npaug, txhais tau tias peb tau ua cov tes me me me lossis loj dua li ib txwm ntawm lub hom phiaj, ua ke nrog cov ua qhov tseeb tshaj tawm. Nov yog qhov txaus siab: txawm tias lub qhov rooj me me txawm tias me dua li ib txwm, koj tam sim xav tias muaj qee yam tsis raug. Hloov, hluav taws xob hluav taws xob, lawv zoo li qhov tiag, tab sis lawv tsis ua haujlwm. Los ntawm cov ntaub ntawv peb xav tau cladding. Saib, ntawm no yog ib lub nkoj tag nrho nrog cov khoom siv cladding hauv Venice.
Peb pib maj mam muab tag nrho cov ntsiab tso ua ke hauv chav tsev. Koj pom, muaj ntau cov ntaub ntawv uas lub pavilion tam sim ntawd los ua cluttered, thaum xub thawj nws txawm nyuaj rau peb los pib ua lub tsev. Ntawm no yog cov qhov rai. Peb tau sim qog ntawm nruab hnub nrig. Sab hauv, thaum koj taug kev ncig ntawm chav tsev no, nws zoo li rau koj tias lub hnub nrig tiag tiag ntws los ntawm lub qhov rais. Qhov no yog qhov ua tau ntawm LCD saib. Nov yog daim duab thaum koj tab tom sawv ntawm ob sab qhov rooj no. Nws zoo li kuv tias koj tau dhau los ua qee yam kev kawm tshiab, tus neeg tuaj ncig ntawm tsev, ncig xyuas tsev. Peb thov kom tshawb nrhiav qhov chaw nyob ib puag ncig hauv txoj hauv kev tshiab - qhov no yog peb daim ntawv thov. Koj qhib lub qhov rooj, nkag mus hauv lub qhov rooj loj, pom koj tus kheej hauv txoj kev hauv tsev, thiab tom qab ntawd koj paub tias txoj kev txwv ntawm lub neej txhua hnub zoo li raug rhuav tshem, thiab qee lub sijhawm koj nres tsis ntseeg txhua yam hauv lub tsev pheeb suab no.
Ntawm ib sab, qhov phiaj xwm no yog hais txog architecture. Koj tab tom saib duab architecture thiab architecture yog ntsia koj. Tag nrho cov khoom tau lawv tus kheej tus kheej: qhov rooj, qhov rai. Lawv tig mus ua cim, lawv saib koj ib yam nkaus. Qee lub sijhawm nws zoo li rau koj tias koj yog menyuam lossis, hloov pauv, coj txawv txawv. Cov chaw ya los ntawm ib chav mus rau lwm chav. Qhov no yog kev ntxhib los mos ntawm hauv pem teb, nws kuj yog qhov sib txawv. Koj pom, ntawm ib sab, lub parquet yog ua los ntawm cov phiaj loj heev, thiab nyob rau lwm qhov, muaj pes tsawg tus me nyuam pem teb. Dab tsi ua tau zoo yog tias tib neeg hloov lawv tus cwj pwm, ntau tus pib luag. Tib neeg muaj lub cev ncaj qha. Nov yog peb tus qhua yau tshaj plaws. Tsuas yog lub qhov rooj tub hluas no thiaj li qhib tau. Peb zoo siab heev thaum peb pom qhov no.
Maria Elkina:
– Ua tsaug ntau, Alessandro, rau zaj dab neeg zoo no. Ib zaug ntxiv, peb pab koj zoo siab rau koj txoj kev yeej. Kuv xav tias qhov no yog qhov project muaj txiaj ntsig zoo nyob rau hauv ntau txoj kev. Peb muaj kev xam phaj pej xeem, yog li kuv tuaj yeem nug cov lus nug ruam. Tej zaum koj twb paub lawm tias cov lus nug yuav hais txog "Alice in Wonderland", vim tias koj lub tsev pheeb suab muaj ntau zaus piv rau "Alice in Wonderland". Koj thiab kuv tau pom zoo tias peb yuav tsis dag rau cov neeg mloog. Alessandro tau hais tias qhov tseeb cov tsev pheeb suab no tsis muaj dab tsi nrog Carroll, feem ntau nws xav kom zam kev sib piv no. Kuv thawj lo lus nug yog, vim li cas koj thiaj xav kom zam kev sib piv no nrog Alice hauv Wonderland?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Peb xav zam kom tsis txhob muaj qhov no vim tias peb tsis xav kom lub tsev pheebsuab pom tias yog qhov cuav xwm. Nov yog kev kawm hnyav rau peb. Nov yog lub ncauj lus tshwj xeeb uas peb tau tshawb txog ntawm no. Peb xav kom tib neeg xav txog cov ncauj lus no.
Maria Elkina:
- Yog li koj xav tau cov neeg los coj koj qhov project tiag?
Alessandro Bosshard:
- Yog. Kuv xav tias yog zaj khawv koob no yog hais txog.
Maria Elkina:
– Cov khawv koob ntawm qhov project no, kuv xav tias, nws yog qhov zoo tsis yog rau Instagram xwb, tab sis nws tseem yog qhov kev paub tab. Nws tsis yog hais txog daim duab xwb, tab sis hais txog qhov tseeb uas koj tuaj yeem sim mus ntawm lub qhov rooj loj, dhau ntawm lub qhov rooj me me. Nws zoo li kuv tias koj tau pom qhov tsis muaj dab tsi ntawm peb qhov kev tsis zoo. Cov lus nug tshwm sim: yog dab tsi peb pom tau hais tias ib txwm muaj? Dab tsi koj xav tias yog qhov txawv txav hauv cov qauv no sab hauv? Hauv txoj kev, sab hauv no zoo li qub vim hais tias nws yog qauv. Dab tsi tuaj yeem hloov pauv hauv nws, koj tuaj yeem nug dab tsi, koj xav li cas? Qhov no yog lus nug, tej zaum txog ib nrab. Qhov no tsis tsuas yog hais txog qee cov qauv - yuav ua li cas siab lub qab nthab yuav tsum thiab yog li ntawd, tab sis, theej lus nug txog qhov chaw, hais txog yuav ua li cas chav nyob thiab lwm chav yuav tsum zoo li.
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Yog, peb xav tsa ntau cov lus nug hauv kev sib txuas nrog cov phiaj xwm no. Rau kuv, thawj cov lus nug thiab tseem ceeb tshaj plaws yog: vim li cas cov kws txawj ua vaj ua tsev tsis cuam tshuam sab hauv, tab sis tsuas yog ua kom huv, ntawm qee qhov kev npaj kom tsis muaj menyuam? Nws zoo li kuv tias ntawm qee qhov kev xav, qhov no yog txoj hauv kev yooj yim heev. […] Thaum koj nkag mus sab hauv, thiab koj nkag siab tias muaj ntau qhov kev tsim kho me me hauv qhov chaw no uas koj yuav tsis pom ntawm lub dav hlau, zoo li yog qhov muaj pes tsawg leeg ntawm kev muaj tiag txawv tag, thiab tsis yog ib qho hauv lub dav hlau, nws haj yam muaj txoj sia nyob. Hauv peb tes num, peb tau xav ntau txog kev sawv cev, hais txog tag nrho cov ntsiab lus no thiab seb lawv nyob ua ke li cas. Yog tias peb tham txog cov qauv vaj tsev rau yav tom ntej, Kuv xav tias qhov no tseem yog ib qho tseem ceeb tshaj plaws thiab qhov teeb meem tseem ceeb heev. Peb pom tias lub ntiaj teb kev kos duab yog lub hauv paus, lub hauv paus rau peb lub tswv yim. Nws yog qhov tseem ceeb rau peb tsis txhob tshawb qhov peev xwm no thiab pom yav tom ntej hauv nws.
Maria Elkina:
– Yog lawm, qhov ntawd yog, Kuv pom zoo li ntawd. Peb tham ntau yam hauv Lavxias, piv txwv li, cov chav nyob hauv tsev thiab cov vaj tsev raug. Nws zoo nkaus li kuv hais tias cov thawv txheem no, chaw nyob, chaw nyob vaj tse niaj hnub tsim qauv rau peb lub neej. Lawv tau tshwm sim ib puas xyoo dhau los, thaum muaj teeb meem hauv vaj tse nyob hauv Lavxias, thiab nws yog qhov yuav tsum tau muab cov neeg coob coob nrog cov vaj tse. Cov kws tsim qauv thiab cov neeg ua haujlwm txiav txim siab muab cov neeg tso rau hauv cov thawv no vim tias cov thawv ntawv yog qhov pheej yig tshaj los tsim, tab sis zoo dua tsis muaj dab tsi. Cov npov no muaj chav da dej, chav ua mov noj, thiab lwm yam.
Yog tias peb tham txog qhov kev txhim kho no, peb tseem rov xav txog nws. Nws zoo nkaus li kuv tias qhov no yog qhov teeb meem uas tsim nyog rau ntau lub teb chaws. Kuv tsis paub dab tsi txog Switzerland. Koj puas xav tias txhua tus neeg hauv Switzerland tuaj yeem them taus vaj tse?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Qhov no yog qhov teeb meem loj tiag tiag. Kuv tseem xav tias yog peb nyuam qhuav tsim los ntawm ib hom ntawv nyeem tshiab, tom qab ob peb xyoos cov teeb meem qub yuav pib. Thaum koj ua haujlwm nrog cov ntsiab lus no, nrog cov ntsiab lus no, koj tsis tuaj yeem cia li qog qhov muag, nws tsis yooj yim sua. Nws zoo nkaus li kuv tias vim yog qhov muaj lub siab xav luam, rau lub ntsej muag, ib qho teeb meem dhau los.
Maria Elkina:
– Koj puas xav tias qhov no ua tau txhua? Kuv tsis nug lo lus nug "yuav ua li cas" tsis tau, vim tias koj tau txais khoom plig tsuas yog ob peb lub hlis dhau los. Koj puas xav tias nws muaj peev xwm ntxiv qee qhov tshwj xeeb rau ib lub tuam tsev? Yuav txheem tsev yog customized?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Ua ntej, Kuv xav tias nws ua rau muaj kev txiav txim siab tso cov catalog ntawm qhov sib txawv, cov ntawv tiav tau, uas tuaj yeem ua ke ntawm ntau txoj kev. Tom qab ntawd peb twb muaj ntau txoj kev xaiv ntau.
Maria Elkina:
– Tus nqi rau ntawm doorknobs tau kim npaum li cas? Tus nqi rau ntawm lub qhov rooj tsis ntau npaum li cas rau koj lub tsev pheeb suab?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Peb muaj hmoo tau pom tus neeg txhawb nqa zoo heev, yog li nws tau tsim kev lom zem rau cov tuam txhab uas ua cov cwj mem. Nws tsis yooj yim ua, tab sis nws pheej yig rau peb.
Maria Elkina:
– Peb pom zoo tias tam sim no peb yuav tham siab ncaj, hais ncaj qha, zoo li peb tau zaum hauv kab, thiab tsis nyob rau theem. Tag nrho cov phiaj xwm no muaj keeb kwm ntev heev, piv txwv li, cov coj ntawm lub qhov rooj niaj hnub no. Cov no yog cov khoom lag luam tsim, yog li lawv yog pheej yig heev. Yuav ua li cas yog tias koj xav kom zam dhau qhov kev tsim tawm loj thiab cov chaw tsim khoom loj? Tej zaum koj yuav tsum tau hloov kho qhov loj? Yuav ua li cas?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Koj tuaj yeem pib nrog cov xim, piv txwv. Txhua tus dawb yog peb tus qauv tsim sab hauv. Qhov no yog qhov ua yeeb yam uas tshwm sim qee lub sijhawm dhau los. Nws yog qhov tshwm sim hauv txhua tus qauv, hauv txhua daim duab, kos duab. Nws yog xim dawb thiab xim dub, txhua yam yog xim dawb thiab dub hauv peb sab hauv. Piv txwv li, yog tias koj xav ua cov phab ntsa daj, tej zaum tsis yog txhua tus yuav nyiam lawv, tab sis tsuas yog ib tus neeg hauv ib puas. Tej zaum cov txuj ci tshiab yuav pab tau peb tiag tiag, tab sis tib lub sijhawm, nws zoo li rau kuv, peb yuav tsum tsis txhob cia qhov muag dig muag tsuas yog siv cov thev naus laus zis tshiab xwb. Kuv xav tias lub luag haujlwm ntawm tus kws kes duab vajtse yog los teb rau lub sijhawm hloov pauv ntawm kev tsim kho.
Maria Elkina:
– Dab tsi tiag kom cia siab rau? Cov kws txawj txua yuav cawm peb?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Nws zoo li kuv tias peb tsis tas yuav nrhiav lus teb thoob ntiaj teb. Kuv xav tias qee zaum koj tsuas yog xav tau tawm hauv cov lus nug qhib. Rau peb, kev ua yeeb yam tau hais txog kev tsa cov teeb meem no. Peb tsuas yog xav kom tib neeg paub txog cov xwm txheej uas peb nyob.
Maria Elkina:
– Kuv yuav nug ib lo lus nug yooj yim. Koj xav li cas yog qhov zoo tshaj plaws nthab qhov siab?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Nws zoo li rau kuv tias ob plaub caug yog hais txog daim duab uas txhua lub teb chaws pom zoo nrog. Qhov no yog txoj kev sib haum xeeb uas kev tsim kho kev lag luam thiab tib neeg lub cev tau ua. Ntawd tau hais tias, lub hom phiaj ntawm kev tsim kho kev lag luam yog kom qis qis nthab thiab ua kom lawv nyob qis qis dua, thiab tib neeg xav tau lub ceilings ntau li ntau tau. Kuv yuav, ntawm chav kawm, ua kom lub qab nthab siab dua ob caug. Nws zoo li rau kuv tias muaj kev ua khawv koob nyob hauv qhov tseeb tias lub qab nthab tuaj yeem yog qhov sib txawv ntawm qhov siab, txhua qhov project tuaj yeem muaj nws tus kheej qhov ntsuas.
Maria Elkina:
– Koj xav tias qhov siab ntawm lub qab nthab cuam tshuam li cas rau peb lub neej? Yog hais tias lub qab nthab yog ob plaub caug, ces peb xav tias muaj qhov txwv ntau, thiab yog tias plaub tsib caug, ces ntau dawb?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Kuv xav tias qhov no yog qhov nthuav heev. Peb yog ib zaug nyob hauv chav ua yeeb yam, qhov chaw uas koj tuaj yeem hloov qhov siab ntawm lub qab nthab. Muaj koj ncaj qha xav tias: yog tias koj txo lub qab nthab los ntawm kaum centimeters - thiab qhov kev xav yog ib qho nyuaj siab heev. Txawm hais tias kaum centimeters yog ntau. Nws zoo rau kuv tias nws yog ib qho tseem ceeb uas muaj chaw rau tus kheej rau txhua tus neeg. Koj tsis tuaj yeem nyob hauv lub thawv dawb, nws tsuas yog txaus ntshai xwb. Yog tias koj sib piv cov vaj tse niaj hnub nrog lub tsev teev hawm qub, cov chaw muaj ntau yam sib txawv.
Maria Elkina:
– Yog lawm, qhov ntawd yog qhov tseeb, lawv tsuas yog ua tsis tau qhia txog cov qauv. Piv txwv li, koj muaj koj tus kheej chav, qhov chaw uas koj yuav kaw thiab ib leeg. Tsib caug xyoo dhau los, qhov no ua tsis tau. Qhov no ua rau peb xav li cas? Nej xav tias qhov no zoo los tsis zoo? Cia kuv muab cov lus nug tso ncaj qha. Muaj pes tsawg square meters ib tus neeg uas koj xav tias koj xav tau?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Nws zoo nkaus li kuv tias qhov teeb meem tsis yog nyob hauv cov square metres, tab sis nyob rau hauv qhov chaw zoo li cas, lawv haum li cas ua ke, tab sis tus qauv yog tias muaj ntau, ntau dua thiab ntau cov square meters. Tsis ntev peb yuav muab sib txuas ua ke, zoo li, piv txwv li, chav dej nrog chav dej tau sib sau ua ke. Nws zoo li kuv tias peb yuav nyob hauv cov tsev sib koom nrog cov neeg nyob ib puag ncig.
Maria Elkina:
– Koj puas xav tias koj yuav xav tau nres qee lub sijhawm?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Yog lawm. Thaj chaw uas peb nyob muaj tsawg, tshwj xeeb hauv peb lub sijhawm. Ntawm chav kawm, peb yuav tsis nkag tsis tas qhov kawg.
Maria Elkina:
– Alessandro cov lus nug, uas nws tau hais kom rov ua rau cov neeg tuaj saib: thaum txhua tus neeg nyob hauv chav tsev txog ib puas txhiab metres qhov loj me, tej zaum nws yuav kho lwm tus phem dua lossis tsuas yog xav txuas lus nrog lawv tsawg dua?
Los ntawm cov neeg tuaj saib:
- Nyob zoo! Kuv yog Ilya. Yog, qhov tseeb, Kuv npaj tau teb, vim tias kuv tau muaj kev paub ntawm kev nyob ib leeg hauv qhov chaw loj heev nyob rau hauv cov nqe lus ntawm square footage rau plaub xyoos. Yog lawm, nws cuam tshuam ntau tus cwj pwm. Kuv xav tias kuv tus kheej qhov kev txwv ntau npaum li cas, thiab nws yeej yuav nyuaj rau cia lwm tus hauv. Kuv hnov mob ntau yam ntxiv rau ib qho kev sib txuam ntawm kuv qhov chaw, thiab qhov no cuam tshuam rau kuv qhov kev txawj sib txuas lus tsis zoo.
Maria Elkina:
– Ua ntej peb hnov cov lus tawm tswv yim nram qab no - Kuv xav tias qhov no yog qhov kev sib tham zoo heev - Kuv yuav qhia koj txog kev xav ntawm cov neeg txawj ntse forensic: qhov fab ntxeev. Lawv kawm txog kev sib raug zoo hauv chav kawm ua yeeb yaj kiab nyob sab nraum zoov ntawm cov nroog loj hauv St. Petersburg. Lawv qhia peb kom meej meej tias qhov xwm txheej zoo li cas nyob ntawd. Tus txiv neej hluas los yog tus ntxhais hluas yuav yuav chav tsev studio. Nws lub sijhawm no, feem ntau yuav yog, tab tom pib ua haujlwm. Tom qab ntawd nws ntsib ib tus neeg, lawv pib ib tsev neeg thiab yug menyuam. Nws hloov tawm tias lawv peb leeg nyob hauv lub studio no. Thaum muaj ntau tus neeg nyob hauv lub nroog qhov chaw nyob ntawm tus naj npawb me me ntawm cov square metres, qhov xwm txheej kev sib cav. Lawv dhau los ua kev npau taws, lawv dhau los ua nruj, txawm tias lawv yog cov neeg zoo thiab muaj kev kawm. Ib qho me me ntawm cov square metres thiab cov neeg sib ze tau cuam tshuam rau peb tsis zoo hauv cov xwm txheej hauv nroog. Saib, qhov tsis muaj neeg yuav tsis zoo heev. Puas muaj lwm tus neeg muaj kev xav rau qhov no? Tsis muaj cov kev xav tau, tab sis nws zoo li rau kuv tias qhov no yog ib lo lus nug txaus siab heev.
Tsoomfwv tau sau tseg tias peb yuav muaj kaum yim square metres rau ib tus neeg, tom qab ntawd peb caug-ob square metres rau ib tus neeg, thiab tom qab ntawd peb caug-tsib, thiab qhov no feem ntau yuav cuam tshuam peb li kev vam meej, peb tsis tshua xav, txawm hais tias nws yuav tsis muaj kev cuam tshuam rau peb yuav seb peb puas tau sib yuav, ntau npaum li cas peb yuav sib txuas lus nrog phooj ywg, thiaj li tau hais lus, rau txhua tus cwj pwm peb. Alessandro, koj puas muaj koj tus kheej cov lus teb rau lo lus nug ntawm qhov chaw koj tus kheej ntau npaum li cas koj xav tias zoo tagnrho?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Kuv xav hais tias yog tias peb tswj tsim cov qauv uas yuav hloov tau yooj yim thiab ua rau tib neeg nyob hauv kev sib txawv hauv lawv lub tsev, kuv txhais tau yooj yim ntawm qib xws li cov qauv, kev ua neej, Kuv xav tias qhov no tseem ceeb heev. Nws yuav ua tau zoo dua qhov tsim muaj qee hom kev nruj qauv, zoo dua li tsim cov vaj tse lossis vaj tsev rau qee hom kev siv.
Maria Elkina:
– Kuv xav tias qhov no tseem cuam tshuam nrog cov lus nug ntawm yuav ua li cas peb cov neeg sab hauv ua rau kev sib txuas lus. Switzerland yeej ib txwm muaj lub tsev kawm zoo tshaj plaws hauv tsev kawm ntawv, thiab ntau tus kws tsim qauv nto moo tau raug coj tuaj nyob hauv Switzerland. Kuv xav nug koj: nws tshwm sim li cas thiaj li ua rau ntau tus kws tshaj lij tshwm sim hauv lub tebchaws me me no? Los sis tej zaum nws tshwm sim vim lub teb chaws no me me?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Nws zoo li kuv tias qhov no tseem muaj lus nug txog kev sib tw. Lub tsev yog feem ntau los ntawm tsoomfwv txhawb nqa. Nws yog ib txwm qhib kev lees txais ntawm kev thov, ib qho kev sib tw qhib. Ntau tus kws ua yeeb yam koom nrog hauv cov kev sib tw no. Lub Swiss zoo li kuv rau kev mob siab rau qhov zoo ntawm lub architecture. Qhov no tseem ceeb heev rau lawv. Peb kuj tseem xav txav tawm ntawm ib chav tsev mus rau lwm qhov thaum peb lub neej. Ntau zaus peb tsis muaj peb lub tsev nyob, peb xauj tsev nyob. Qhov no tseem cuam tshuam. Kuv xav tias nws muaj lwm yam ua nrog nws. Hauv Switzerland, nws zoo li rau kuv tias peb tsis tau tshwm sim los ntawm lub caij nyoog ntawm tiam no. Hauv qhov kev txiav txim siab, peb tseem siv sijhawm tawm tswv yim ntawm tiam neeg niaj hnub. Tias yog vim li cas, Kuv xav tias, hauv Switzerland muaj ntau ntau txoj haujlwm cuam tshuam txog cov tsev txais nyiaj, nrog cov hom tshiab.
Maria Elkina:
– Yog li nws zoo rau koj tias Le Corbusier yuav raug liam?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Tsis muaj tsis muaj. Tsis yog Le Corbusier. Kuv tsuas xav hais tias peb tab tom txuas ib txoj kab.
Maria Elkina:
– Nws zoo li rau kuv tias nws txhua tus pib ntev ua ntej kev ua si niaj hnub. Cov kws tshaj lij pib ua haujlwm tshwm sim hauv Switzerland. Qee cov kws ua haujlwm tam sim no ua haujlwm hauv St. Petersburg yug hauv Switzerland. Lawv hais lus Italian, Italis yog lawv thawj hom lus, tab sis lawv tuaj ntawm Switzerland. Koj xav li cas txog Le Corbusier, los ntawm txoj kev?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Cov teeb meem nyuaj.
Maria Elkina:
– Vim li cas thiaj nyuaj? Cia kom hais ncaj.
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Yuav hais li cas? Kuv nyiam cov haujlwm ntawm Le Corbusier. Ua ntej tshaj plaws, Kuv zoo siab qhov plasticity ntawm nws txoj haujlwm.
Maria Elkina:
– Kuv txhais tau tias, tseem muaj kev sib tham ntau txog Le Corbusier txoj haujlwm. Muaj qee tus neeg hais tias nws yog tus neeg muaj suab npe ua tau zoo, thiab ib tug neeg hais tias nws ua rau peb mob siab. Koj nyob sab twg?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Kuv tsis xav teb nqe lus nug no.
Maria Elkina:
– Alessandro tsis xav nthuav qhia nws txoj kev xav rau Le Corbusier. Peb muaj yuav luag tsis muaj sijhawm. Tej zaum ib tug neeg hauv pawg neeg xav nug cov lus nug?
Los ntawm cov neeg tuaj saib:
- Nyob zoo os! Kuv npe yog Alexandra. Alessandro, Kuv nyob hauv koj lub tsev pheeb suab, uas koj yog tus saib xyuas. Tom qab peb tawm ntawm koj lub tsev pheeb suab lawm, kuv tau saib ib daim vis dis aus nrog txhua tus neeg saib xyuas ntawm Venice Biennale thiab nrog koj thiab, thiab tsis muaj leej twg hais lo lus "nplai ntawm qhov chaw". Kuv lo lus nug yog: yog qhov no txhob txwm, vim tias nws zoo li koj tias nplai yog lub tswvyim uas tsis muaj dab tsi ua rau koj cov tsev pheeb suab ntaub, lossis nws tsuas yog pom tseeb tias koj tab tom sim tsa qee yam teeb meem ntxiv?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Cov nqe lus nug zoo. Peb tsis tau siv lo lus no txhob txwm, vim tias thaum pib peb xav tias: nws yuav tsum yog qhov project txog kev ntsuas, lossis, hloov dua tshiab, nplai thiab nplai sib txawv - qhov no tsuas yog siv los coj peb lub ntsiab lus tseem ceeb rau yav dhau los. Yog li, peb tau sim ua kom zam lub sij hawm "nplai" thaum peb tham txog qhov haujlwm no, tab sis, qhov tseeb, nws yog qhov tseeb tias peb ua haujlwm nrog teev ntawm no, qhov no yog qhov tseeb.
Maria Elkina:
– Koj puas xav tias muaj qee yam ntxiv uas tseem tsis tau qhia tawm nyob rau sab hauv architecture? Txij li thaum peb tab tom sib tham [hauv kev sib tham] txog yav tom ntej ntawm kev kawm, koj puas xav tias muaj lwm yam teeb meem uas yuav tsum tau los sib tham?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Muaj ntau pua lo lus nug yuav tsum nug. Nws zoo li rau peb tias nws yog qhov tseem ceeb uas yuav tau nug ib lub ncauj lus thiab hauv cov ncauj lus no tsim koj cov lus nug, tsim koj tus kheej cov dej num. Peb tsis xav kom tham txog standardization, norms thiab li ntawm. Peb tes num tom ntej no yuav txawv tag.
Maria Elkina:
– Yog li koj teb cov lus nug no los ntawm kev tshawb nrhiav? Koj puas xav tias yuav kom nug cov lus nug zoo, koj yuav tsum tshawb fawb, uas yog, qhov no yog qhov kev kawm li?
Alessandro Bosshard:
– Yog lawm, nov yog peb lub tswv yim. Koj pib nrog kev tshawb fawb thiab tom qab ntawd teeb tsa koj tus kheej qhov project, txaij koj tus kheej qhov project.
