Tarja Nurmi: "Cov Neeg Mloog Zoo Li Lawv Tau Raug Qhia Kom Hlub"

Tarja Nurmi: "Cov Neeg Mloog Zoo Li Lawv Tau Raug Qhia Kom Hlub"
Tarja Nurmi: "Cov Neeg Mloog Zoo Li Lawv Tau Raug Qhia Kom Hlub"

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Tarja Nurmi yog ib tug kws tshaj lij thiab neeg saib xyuas lub tsev kawm ntawv. Kev tso cai ntawm cov phiaj xwm rau lub teb chaws TV ntawm Finland TV1 thiab TV2, cov phau ntawv thiab cov ntaub ntawv tshaj tawm hauv Finnish thiab txawv teb chaws, suav nrog cov kws tshaj lij. Lecturer, curator ntawm kev nthuav qhia.

Archi.ru: Dab tsi yog qhov teeb meem tseem ceeb ntawm cov kev xav ntawm lub tsev tam sim no? Thiab nws lub hom phiaj yog dab tsi?

Tarja Nurmi: Qhov teeb meem yog hais tias muaj tsawg dua thiab tsawg dua architectural kev thuam nyob rau hauv kev tshaj xov xwm pej xeem. Thiab muaj cov ncauj lus sib thooj: sau txog architecture yog tso rau cov neeg sau xov xwm dog dig, feem ntau cov hluas heev, uas tau sau lawv cov ntawv, tau txais tag nrho cov ntaub ntawv ntawm Google. Lawv tab tom nrhiav "kev hloov" thiab "iconic" cov tuam tsev thiab tsis paub dab tsi txog keeb kwm, kos duab, txheej txheem ntawm phiaj xwm hauv nroog. Yog li ntawd, lawv cov ntawv yog ib lossis ob daim ntawv tshaj tawm zoo nkauj thiab tsawg tsawg "rau qhov kawg" cov ntawv nyeem.

Cov kws tshaj lij kev tawm tswv yim sau ntawv rau cov ntawv xov xwm tshaj lij lossis cov ntawv xov xwm tsis tu ncua yuav tsum paub txog lawv lub ncauj lus, thiab tseem yuav tsum muaj cov "lub hnab nqa khoom" los ntawm cov tuam tsev uas lawv tau mus xyuas, yuav tsum paub tias lawv ua li cas, nrog kev pab ntawm yam thev naus laus zis thiab cov hau kev, txawm tias txawm tias yuav hloov kho tshiab, thiab cov tsev no ua haujlwm licas tom qab. Cov haujlwm zoo li no siv sijhawm thiab nyiaj txiag ntau, thiab cov xov xwm niaj hnub xav kom cov neeg sau xov xwm ua haujlwm sai thiab taug kev me ntsis, tab sis feem ntau yog saib rau qhov xav. Nyob rau tib lub sijhawm, qhov kev tshaj tawm zoo li qub txo qis, thiab cov pej xeem sawv daws tsis to taub qhov ib puag ncig "tsim ib puag ncig" thiab lub hauv paus ntawm architecture feem ntau.

Hauv Finland, ntau tus kws ua qauv lees hais tias lawv tsuas saib cov duab hauv Arkkitehti magazine (kev tshaj tawm xov xwm ntawm SAFA - Finnish Association of Architects), thiab tsis tshua nyeem ntawv. Qhov no txhais tau hais tias muaj teeb meem loj heev nrog cov lus xov xwm kos duab. Tsis ntev dhau los dhau los, cov ntawv tau ua tiav zoo li qhov no: ib tug kws tsim vaj tsev yuav piav qhia txog nws txoj haujlwm (feem ntau tsis tshua zoo mloog), thiab tom qab ntawd nws cov npoj yaig yuav tawm tswv yim txog nws. Raws li qhov tshwm sim, txhua tus paub cai "thuam" txhua tus cov haujlwm zoo (cov haujlwm tsis zoo tsis muaj nyob hauv phau ntawv xov xwm). Thiab nyob rau hauv qhov xwm txheej tam sim no, thaum lawv tsuas pom tias cov tuam tsev twg tau tshaj tawm, nws tseem nyuaj rau cov tsis nyiam thiab tsis pom tus kheej yuav tshwm sim.

Tus thawj coj xov xwm Helsingin Sanomat tau muaj kev thuam puv sijhawm nrog Leen Maunul txoj haujlwm khov kho, tab sis tam sim no tsis muaj ib tus los hloov nws.

Cov neeg thuam niaj hnub thiab cov kws sau ntawv xov xwm tshiab tau tawm tsam kev nyiaj txiag, ntau yam ntawm lawv cov npoj yaig, piv txwv li, cov kws tshaj lij architecture, txaus siab sau ntawv dawb: lawv tsuas yog yuav tsum luam tawm lawv cov ntawv. Qhov tshwm sim yog kev sib tw tsis ncaj ncees. Cov neeg kho kho tau siv qhov zoo ntawm qhov no thiab feem ntau siv yuav luag tag nrho cov peev nyiaj ntawm kev tshaj tawm ntawm lawv tus kheej, thaum cov kws sau ntawv tau raug them tsawg tsawg lossis tsis txhua: qhov xwm txheej no tsis pab ua rau qhov zoo ntawm cov ntawv tseem ceeb.

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Эрик Брюггман. Часовня Воскресения на кладбище в Турку. 1939-1941. Фото с сайта studyblue.com
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Archi.ru: Yuav ua li cas loj kawg nkaus yog lub zog ntawm ib tus kws kos duab sab nrauv tsim? Nws puas muaj peev xwm cuam tshuam txog kev txhim kho lub ntsej muag kom paub txog vaj tsev, lossis pej xeem kev xav?

T. N.: Tus kws sau ntawv zoo tuaj yeem ua tau ntau yam, tab sis nws xav tau lub platform, ib qho qhua. Nws tuaj yeem qhia meej tias txoj kev txhim kho mus rau qhov tsis yog, tuaj yeem cuam tshuam cov phiaj xwm yav tom ntej thiab cov tsim qauv, txhawb nqa lawv. Cov kws sau ntawv zoo tseem ceeb - tab sis qhov twg cov pej xeem yuav pom lawv cov ntawv sau, uas yog cov lus nug! Hauv lawv qhov chaw, cov neeg nyeem tau txais "kev lom zem sau xov xwm" ntawm qhov kev qhia ua qhov ua tsis tau zoo.

Archi.ru: Kev thuam yuav tsum yog "kev tseem ceeb"?

T. N.: Ntawm chav kawm, nws yuav tsum yog qhov tseem ceeb, tab sis tsis txaus ntshai lossis txhais tau tias. Architectural sau xov xwm yuav tsum tau nthuav, witty, txawm hais tias sau ntawv zoo li ntawd tsis yooj yim. Nws tseem yuav to taub rau tus nyeem nrog "nruab nrab" txawj ntse thiab kev kawm. Kuv ntxub cov kws tshawb nrhiav, cov kws tshawb nrhiav keeb kwm, thiab lwm yam, uas xav qhia lawv txoj kev kawm "kev txawj ntse" thiab yog li sau cov lus uas yuav luag tsis nkag siab uas yuav tsum ua rau lawv cov npoj yaig. Muaj cov ntawv tshaj tawm tshawb fawb rau qhov no, koj yuav tsum tsis txhob yuam kev qhov no nrog kev thuam kev tsim vaj tsev.

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Ренцо Пьяно. Музей Фонда Бейелер близ Базеля
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Archi.ru: Tus neeg thuam yuav cia nws tus kheej rau cov neeg txog qhov twg?

T. N.: Kuv tsis pom dab tsi tsis ncaj ncees lawm nrog kev kawm yog tias nws tau hais ncaj qha. Nws yog lwm qhov teeb meem uas tus kheej lub tswv yim ntawm tsuas yog tus sau uas paub ntau yam, pom ntau yam thiab tau mus xyuas ntau yam yog qhov nthuav thiab tseem ceeb. Tab sis ntau zaus koj ntsib nrog "kev xav rau lub tswv yim" lossis xav kom tau luag, tsis muaj ib qho tseeb. Qee zaum peb tab tom tham txog kev tsis lees paub tag nrho xws li: "Kuv xav kom muaj ntau lub skyscrapers tshwm hauv Helsinki, vim tias txawm Tallinn tam sim no muaj lawv." Qhov no txhais tau hais tias tus neeg tsis nyob qhov twg ntxiv lawm Tallinn, thiab kuj tau pom ib daim duab ntawm Manhattan, thiab yog txhua yam. Kuv tsis yog tawm tsam skyscrapers, tab sis tawm tsam cov neeg uas xav tau lawv nyob rau ntawm tus nqi, vim lawv twb muaj nyob hauv qee lub nroog.

Archi.ru: Yog tias tus kws tshaj lij nyiam qhov tshwj xeeb hauv kev tshaj lij ntawm lwm tus, nws puas tuaj yeem nthuav qhia cov kev nyiam no hauv nws cov ntawv?

T. N.: Yog tias nws tau hais txog nws, qhov tsis zoo. Tom qab ntawd nws tuaj yeem raug hu ua "tus sau-neeg nyiam" ntawm no lossis cov qauv ntawd. Tab sis yog tias nws yog tus pheej thuam ib zaug hauv kev tshaj tawm, tom qab ntawv tshaj tawm los ntawm kev tshaj tawm tag nrho, thiab, hauv kuv lub tswvyim, nws poob nws txoj kev ntseeg siab.

Пантеон в Риме. Фото Bengt Nyman
Пантеон в Риме. Фото Bengt Nyman
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Archi.ru: Kev thuam kev thuam ua vaj tse puas yog phooj ywg nrog cov kws khes duab uas nws sau txog?

T. N.: Raws li ib tug kws kes duab vajtse, kuv pab tsis tau tab sis yog phooj ywg nrog cov npoj yaig lossis paub zoo txog lawv. Tsis tas li ntawd, kom paub txog tias lub tsev yug los li cas, tib neeg muaj dab tsi nyob hauv nws, leej twg muab nyiaj, thiab lwm yam, koj yuav tsum tham nrog ntau tus neeg, tsis yog nrog cov kws ua vaj tsev, tab sis kuj nrog cov neeg ua tsev, cov neeg yuav khoom, cov tub ua lag luam thiab "cov neeg siv khoom"

Tab sis hauv kev thuam ntawm lub tsev kawm ntawv, tsuas yog cov tuam tsev thiab cov chaw yuav tsum raug txiav txim, thaum hnov qab txog kev sib raug zoo ntawm tus kheej. Yog lawm, muaj cov neeg zoo uas kuj yog cov neeg ua yeeb yam zoo, piv txwv li, Juha Leiviska, leej twg, ntawm lwm yam, kuj yog tus zoo nkauj pianist. Ntawm cov tub ntxhais hluas, qhov no yog Estonian bureau KOSMOS (tam sim no hu ua KTA Architects). Tab sis yog tias lawv ua lub phiaj xwm tsis zoo, kuv yuav qhia lawv txog qhov ncaj qha, thiab kuv yuav tsis sau ib yam dab tsi zoo txog nws. Architecture yog qhov tseem ceeb tshaj nyob ntawm no.

Аксель Шультес. Крематорий Баумшуленвег в Берлине. 1999. Фото © Mattias Hamrén
Аксель Шультес. Крематорий Баумшуленвег в Берлине. 1999. Фото © Mattias Hamrén
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Archi.ru: Dab tsi tseem ceeb dua - kev xav tau ntawm cov nyeem lossis lub luag haujlwm ntawm tus neeg thuam? Yog tias cov pej xeem tsuas xav txog "hnub qub", nws puas tseem tsim nyog los sau txog teeb meem hauv nroog lossis txog kev sib raug zoo hauv cov dej num ntawm cov tub txawg tub ntxhais hluas uas tsis xav mus saib duab?

T. N.: Qhov teeb meem tsis yog nrog cov coj los ua kom zoo nkauj lossis duab. Cov pej xeem feem ntau nyiam qhov lawv tau "qhia" kom hlub! Piv txwv, hauv Finland neeg tau "qhia" los thuam txawm Alvar Aalto. Thaum lub tribune los ntawm cov neeg tsis paub tab sis txawj sau ntawv xov xwm, nws tsis yog qhov xav tsis thoob tias cov neeg nyeem muaj lub tswv yim tsis zoo ntawm qhov kev kos duab yog vim li cas thiab vim li cas nws tseem ceeb rau txhua tus neeg lub neej, nws tuaj yeem ua rau lub neej no zoo dua, ntxiv kev zoo nkauj rau nws.

Yog li ntawd, ib tus neeg sau txog lub architecture yuav tsum paub txog lawv lub luag haujlwm. Nws tsis txaus siab thiab ntxhov siab los sau txog dab tuag, lub tsev tsis zoo, tab sis nws kuj tsim nyog. Thiab txawm tias lub tsev sab nrauv zoo nkauj yuav tsum tau saib los ntawm txhua sab, mus saib nws kom xyuas seb qhov cua tsis zoo nyob ntawd, thiab lwm yam. Tsis yog txhua yam tuaj yeem nkag siab los ntawm cov duab thaij. Thiab cov vaj tse zoo, piv txwv li, Renzo Piano, yuav tsum tau piav qhia hauv qhov ntsiab lus ntawm lawv txoj kev thawm vaj tse, engineering kev daws teeb meem, thiab tsis yog hauv daim ntawv nkaus xwb

Archi.ru: Koj tau dhau los ua kev thuam ntawm architecture li cas? Tus neeg thuam puas xav tau kev kawm ua vaj tsev?

T. N.: Txhua tus hauv kuv tsev neeg sau thiab sau ntawv - tag nrho cov ntawv tseeb thiab sau xov xwm. Kuv tau sau kuv phau ntawv thawj zaug kuv tus kheej - phau ntawv me - zoo li tus tub hluas. Yog li no, Kuv tsis tau dhau los ua "neeg thuam" rau kev tsim qauv sab nrauv. Tab sis kuv yog tus editor-in-chief ntawm tus tub ntxhais kawm ntawv xov xwm architecture, sau ntawv rau Arkkitehti hais txog yav dhau los txij thaum 1980s. Kuv tau muaj kuv tus kheej rhiav kev ua tiav, tab sis thaum ntxov xyoo 1990 Finland tau ntsib kev nyuaj siab nyiaj txiag, thiab tsis muaj haujlwm dab tsi hlo li. Kuv tau tsim TV program txog architecture thiab ecology, ua rau tus tsim khoom lag luam ua qhov zoo tshaj plaws uas kuv tuaj yeem ua, tom qab ntawd kuv pib ua haujlwm nrog lwm cov xov xwm, tab sis kuv "tus neeg tshaj lij" yog 100% tus kws kes duab vajtse, tus kws kos duab uas sau - ntawm lwm yam. Txawm hais tias nyob hauv Finland cov "architectural elite" tsis xav txog cov neeg zoo li kuv yog neeg.

Txhua tus tuaj yeem sau txog architecture, tab sis kev kawm tshwj xeeb tseem xav tau, piv txwv li, kos duab keeb kwm daim ntawv pov thawj daim ntawv kawm tiav. Kev xav tsis txaus. Ntxiv mus, tus neeg thuam zoo yuav tsum nyiam thiab xav tsis tas.

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Петер Цумтор. Термальные бани в Валсе
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Archi.ru: Tus neeg kawm txawj ntse yuav tsum txawj qhia dav npaum li cas? Puas yog nws cuam tshuam nrog kev npaj nroog, toj roob hauv pes architecture, tsev ntsuab?

T. N.: Nws yuav tsum tau kov rau txhua lub ncauj lus, txawm hais tias, tau kawg, muaj cov tib neeg uas muaj txoj kev nyiam nrog txoj kev nqaim tsawg dua. Txawm hais tias yuav kawm qhov tob heev ib qho kev tsim kho xwb, koj yuav tsum siv dag zog ntau, koj xav tau kev ua siab ntev thiab kev ua siab loj. Kuv nco qab tias kuv tau nce toj siab ua ntej lub tuam tsev hauv kev tsim kho hauv New York ntawm kev nqa, thiab ib zaug kuv tau mus xyuas sab hauv lub tshuab loj loj uas cov thee av hauv qhov tob ntawm 1300 m - nws yog qhov nthuav heev! Tab sis kuv xav muab tswv yim: yog tias koj tsis paub dab tsi txog qhov no thiab koj tsis muaj sijhawm lossis nyiaj txiag los nrhiav txhua yam, tsis txhob sim ntseeg txhua tus uas koj tsim nyog rau lub luag haujlwm ntawm tus sau!

Archi.ru: Ntau npaum li cas mloog yuav tsum tus kws tshaj lij them nyiaj rau ntau yam teeb meem hauv nroog - kev thauj mus los, thiab lwm yam, nrog rau cov nom tswv thiab nyiaj txiag "xwm txheej" ntawm txoj haujlwm? Kuv puas yuav tsum tau sau txog qhov no txhua?

T. N.: Yog, tab sis nws feem ntau hloov mus rau hauv kev tshawb nrhiav kev sau xov xwm, thiab ntxiv cov lus nug ntawm lub sijhawm thiab nyiaj txiag tshwm sim. Tus neeg “tawm tsam ib nrab sijhawm” sau ntawv cov lus luv rau Arkkitehti tsis muaj cov nyiaj no.

Yog li, laj fai pej xeem yuav tsum ntiav ib tus neeg ua haujlwm rau cov ncauj lus no. Tab sis yog tias dhau los tshaj tawm xov xwm yog "saib xyuas", tam sim no lawv tau tig mus rau hauv cov dev zoo nkauj: lawv tau dhau los ntawm cov tshaj tawm thiab yog li ntawd ntshai yuav muaj kev pheej hmoo, npog qee cov ncauj lus: yuav ua li cas yog tias lawv tsum tsis them nyiaj? Tab sis qee cov ntawv tshaj tawm tseem tshaj tawm cov ntawv thuam thiab ntse, suav nrog kuv cov ntawv sau ntawm no.

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Archi.ru: Hauv lub sijhawm ntawm Web 2.0, leej twg tuaj yeem ua tus neeg thuam los ntawm tsim lub blog. Qhov no tau hloov pauv ntau npaum li cas ntawm "kev tshaj lij" neeg tawm tswv yim kev tsim qauv?

T. N.: Yog lawm, txhua tus tuaj yeem sau txog qhov lawv nyiam thiab tsis nyiam nyob rau hauv lawv qhov blog, tab sis kev thuam hnyav yog ntau tshaj li cov lus tsis zoo (txawm hais tias kuv nyiam nyeem lawv). Qhov sib txawv yog qhov ua tau zoo, txawm hais tias nrog txoj kev loj hlob ntawm blogosphere nws tau dhau los ua yooj yim xav los ntawm tus kws tshaj lij tus kws sau ntawv tuaj yeem sau dawb, thiab qhov no tsuas yog tua qhov zoo. Kev tshawb nrhiav cov lus teb hauv Google tsis muab dab tsi rau peb: tus neeg sau xov xwm tiag tiag yuav tsum tau mus rau qhov chaw uas lwm tus tseem tsis tau mus, nrhiav yam uas tsis muaj leej twg paub txog …

Raws li rau blogs, Kuv kuj khiav kuv tus kheej, tab sis qhov no tsis yog ib txwm "xov xwm kos duab". Kuv tseem sau ntawm qhov ntawd hais txog kev coj ua ntawm kev tswj hwm thiab kev txiav txim siab hauv Lub Koom Haum Finnish Kws Ua Vaj Tsev (SAFA), qee zaum kuv cem lawv hnyav heev, yog li ib zaug kuv txawm raug hem nrog ib rooj plaub thiab hu rau tub ceev xwm ntawm kev tsis txaus siab los ntawm muaj. Tau kawg, nws xaus rau qhov tsis muaj dab tsi, tab sis tsis muaj ib tus neeg los thov txim ntawm kuv. Kev npaj txhij ntawm SAFA kev ua thawj coj los ua kom muaj kev nyuaj siab rau tus neeg tsis xav tau los ntawm ib txoj kev hais lus twg.

Archi.ru: Puas yog tus neeg thuam ib tsab ntawv xov xwm loj, ntawv xov xwm, xov tooj cua puas yog ib tus pej xeem thiab sau txog cov teeb meem ntawm nws lub nroog? Qhov no puas tuaj yeem ua ke nrog lub ntiaj teb cov xwm txheej ntawm cov kev tsim vaj tsev niaj hnub, thaum txawm tias lub tuam txhab me ua cov haujlwm nthuav tawm txawv teb chaws? Thiab yuav ua li cas koj tuaj yeem soj ntsuam cov tuam tsev txawv teb chaws no ntawm cov ntsiab lus teb thiab kev ua haujlwm: tom qab txhua yam, koj muaj qhov ntau kawg ib lossis ob hnub los xam koj lub tswv yim?

T. N.: Peb txhua tus yog neeg xam xaj, thiab peb yuav tsum nco ntsoov qhov no, dua li nws tau sau txog lub neej niaj hnub puag ncig peb. Tab sis nws tseem zoo saib cov qauv zoo hauv kev muaj tiag, txhua qhov chaw lawv nyob, vim tias cov duab yog duab, thiab cov tsev yog cov tsev.

Tab sis xov xwm ncig xyuas, thaum cov neeg sau xov xwm tau muab tso rau hauv lub npav, coj mus rau lawv qhov chaw, muab kev lom zem, pub nrog cov qhaub cij thiab rov qab mus tsev, Kuv ntxub thiab sim kom tsis txhob muaj "kev tshaj xov xwm ncig tebchaws" no. Nws yog qhov tib yam nrog tsev txawv teb chaws. Kuv sim siv sijhawm li ob peb hnub nyob ntawd, kom sib txuas lus nrog tib neeg, thiab tsis tsuas yog nrog cov kws kes duab vajtse. Kuv tau sau txog architecture nyob rau hauv tsab ntawv ceeb toom txog txawv teb chaws rau cov ntawv xov xwm Kauppalehti, "Lub Tebchaws Finland Nyiaj Txiag Sijhawm": nyob rau tib lub sijhawm, kuv nyob hauv cov tsev so txaus nyiam thiab tsev pheej yig, taug kev ntau, tham ntau yam nrog tib neeg, taug kev hauv kev thauj mus los ntawm pej xeem., tau koom nrog hauv kev sib tham hauv zos. Qhov tshwm sim tau, txiav txim los ntawm kev txheeb xyuas, cov ntawv zoo.

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Archi.ru: Koj yog leej twg nyeem? Koj sau rau leej twg?

T. N.: Txawm tias thaum kuv sau rau kuv cov npoj yaig hauv architecture cov ntawv xov xwm (piv txwv li hauv European A10), Kuv sim siv ib hom lus uas leej twg txaus siab hauv architecture tuaj yeem nkag siab. Hauv daim duab nrov dua thiab tsim cov ntawv xov xwm, Kuv qee zaum xaus nrog kev luag txaus luag. Tab sis kuv ib txwm sim hais txog cov txheej txheem ntawm kev tsim lub tsev thiab lub luag haujlwm ntawm txhua tus neeg koom tes los ntawm cov neeg siv khoom kom xaus cov neeg siv khoom, tsis yog kws tsim vaj tsev. Qhov no tseem ceeb heev kom piav qhia rau sawv daws, yog li kuv xav sau ntau yam rau ntawv xov xwm.

Tus kws kes duab vajtse Finnish tam sim no tsis muaj qhov qhib, kev sib tham dawb: qhov "rooj ntawm qib" uas twb muaj lawm, los ntawm qhov nws yog qhov yuav tsum tau muab tshem tawm. Ntawm cov kws ua vaj tsev, muaj cov tswv cuab Rhiav, bureaucrats, cov kws tshawb nrhiav, cov neeg txawj ntse, txawm tias cov nom tswv thiab cov txiv neej muaj suab npe - zoo tsim nyog mloog. Thiab tseem nyob hauv lawv yog cov kws saib xyuas lub tsev kawm ntawv thiab cov neeg sau xov xwm uas txuas lub ntsiab lus thiab kev coj ua ntawm architecture nrog zej zog. Nws lub sijhawm siab - tshwj xeeb tshaj yog nyob hauv lub tebchaws me me xws li Finland - kom tau txais koob meej rau cov tub txawg no, tsis hais qhov twg lossis qhov chaw lawv tshaj tawm.

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