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Kev kos duab thiab kos duab zoo sib cuam tshuam li cas hauv kev nthuav qhia? Dab tsi yog qhov zoo tshaj plaws "tom qab" rau kev kos duab?
Tatiana Nazarenko:
- Nws zoo li rau kuv tias nyob hauv keeb kwm tsev cia puav pheej, tsuas yog nyob hauv thaj chaw ntawm cov tsev teev ntuj lossis tsev teev ntuj, kev nthuav qhia niaj hnub tuaj yeem saib tau nthuav: tej zaum nthuav ntau dua li hauv qhov tshwj xeeb, khoob qhov chaw uas tsis muab khoom noj rau koj kev xav.
Yav dhau los, ntau lub tsev khaws puav pheej hauv Soviet tau nyob rau hauv cov tuam tsev thiab cov tsev teev ntuj. Hauv cov hnub qub, hnub qub, Kuv tau ua kuv lub rooj nthuav qhia hauv ib lub koom txoos hauv Lviv: kuv cov haujlwm yog nyob hauv Gothic vaults. Tom qab ntawd muaj ib qho kev nthuav dav hauv Vologda, hauv lub Tsev teev Ntuj Nativity, thiab nyob ntawd kuv muaj ib tus tim tswv ua los ntawm polyurethane ua npuas, qhov loj heev, ya hauv qab lub hneev - dhau tus tswv xeev thiab lwm tus neeg uas qhib lub rooj nthuav dav. Kuv nyiam nws heev; thiab nyob hauv ib qho kev ua yeeb yam zoo li tus tubtxib saum ntuj no zaum hauv qab nthab thiab zaum, thiab tsis muaj kev hloov pauv hauv cov tswv yim no. Tib yam yog qhov ua yeeb yam ntawm AES + F pab pawg hauv Geneva: nws kuj tau zoo, vim tias lawv cov qub txeeg qub teg thiab lwm cov laj thawj keeb kwm tau cuam tshuam nrog neo-baroque architecture ntawm lub nroog tsev cia puav pheej.
Thiab qee zaum hauv cov tsev khaws puav pheej loj qee cov haujlwm me me ntawm ib tus tswv Italian ntawm lub sijhawm xyoo pua 15, hais tias, Sassetta, ploj, thiab kev sib zog yog qhov xav tau los tiv thaiv qhov no, zoo li hauv Hermitage, qhov chaw phab ntsa tau pleev xim rau hauv cov xim sib txawv rau qhov no, thiab kev ua haujlwm saib qhov muaj txiaj ntsig zoo dua. Qhov txawv ntawm cov kev coj ua tam sim no ntawm cov ntsa dawb.
Ntawd yog, koj nyiam cov phab ntsa uas muaj xim ntau
– Yog lawm. Qee qhov haujlwm yog qhov kev hloov pauv. Piv txwv, ib qho kev nthuav qhia ntawm Mikhail Larionov tam sim no qhib ntawm Tretyakov Gallery. Cov haujlwm me me rau ntawm phab ntsa xiav lossis daj pib saib kom txawv kiag li, vim hais tias ob lub phab ntsa thiab kev ua haujlwm ua haujlwm zoo qhia thiab mob siab rau [kev tsim qauv ua qauv - kws kes duab vajtse Alexei Podkidyshev. - Kev kwv yees. Archi.ru]. Zoo heev. Thiab yog tias koj dai cov canvases ntawm phab ntsa dawb zoo tib yam, thiab yog tias koj tsis txhob taws nws, nws tsuas yog kev tuag rau lawv.
Hnub tom qab kuv tau taug kev dhau los ntawm Lavxias Tsev khaws puav pheej thiab xav: ntawm chav kawm, nws zoo kawg li, tab sis nws kiag li tsis raug rau lub siab xav ntawm lub tsev cia puav pheej kos duab. Qhov no yog lub tsev cia puav pheej ntawm cov rooj tog zaum ntawm vaj ntxwv, chav ua vaj ntxwv, tab sis cov cim, tus tswv ntawm daim duab Lavxias thaum ub yog xim tsaus, tsaus ntuj.
Tom qab tag nrho, ib zaug hauv cov tsev teev ntuj muaj taws tswm ciab, tab sis cov cim tsis muaj nyob ntawd los qhuas lawv, tab sis raws li cov cim kev ntseeg. Yog li ntawd, txawm hais tias lawv haus luam yeeb lossis teeb, tsis muaj leej twg txhawj. Thiab tam sim no, thaum koj nkag mus rau hauv lub tsev teev ntuj, koj tsa koj lub taub hau, ib yam dab tsi ntawm chav tsev muaj xwm yeem nyob hauv qhov chaw tsaus ntuj, tab sis qhov no tsis yog rau saib. Lub luag haujlwm ntawm lub tsev yuav tsum tau hais tawm: dab tsi xav tau los ua teeb pom kev zoo, dab tsi tseem nyob hauv qhov ntxoov ntxoo. Hauv Tebchaws Europe, Kuv nyiam qhov ntawd thaum lub sijhawm pabcuam cov tib neeg tsis raug tso cai rau hauv cov tsev teev ntuj, vim tias qhov no yog lub cim nco txog, thiab tom qab ntawd nws tsis tsim nyog los taws. Thiab nyob rau lub sijhawm ib txwm koj tig rau lub teeb thiab zoo siab rau cov khoom ci, thiab xav tias nws yuav zoo npaum li cas hluav taws xob tau muab thiab koj tuaj yeem pom txhua yam.
Yog tias peb kov raws li lub ntsiab lus ntawm lub tsev cia puav pheej thiab tsim qauv tsim ua kom pom zoo, lwm yam koj xav tau npe ntawm cov kev vam meej hauv Moscow yog dab tsi?
– «Ilya thiab Emilia Kabakov. Tsis yog txhua tus yuav raug coj mus rau yav tom ntej”ntawm Tretyakov Gallery ntawm Krymsky Val. Qhov no yog tus qauv zoo ib yam li Tate Gallery thiab Hermitage [tus sau phau ntawv - Andrey Shelyutto, Marina Chekmareva, Timofey Zhuravlev. - Kev kwv yees. Archi.ru]. Nws yog qhov txaus ntshai nyob ntawd: Kuv tau taug kev ntawm txoj kev nqaim thiab saib xyuas tej hauj lwm ntawm Emilia Kabakova. Muaj cov ntawv luam tawm ntawm nws thaum yau, duab, Kuv tau hla ntawm qee chav me me uas muaj chav tsev vuab tsuab, thoob khib nyiab thiab lwm yam. Ntawd yog, nws tsim ib qho kev sib txuas lus ntau dua li Ilya.
Muaj - kev lom zem heev - muaj qhov kev tawm tsam ntawm xya- mus rau yim-xyoo-cov menyuam yaus. Thiab cov lus qhia, xws li ib tug poj niam laus, nyav rau lawv, hais tias: "Cov koom haum ua haujlwm no ua rau koj nyob hauv dab tsi?" Lawv sawv ntawm hauv ntej ntawm daim duab uas raug liam tias yog xim los ntawm qee qhov tsis tseeb ntawm Kabakov - "Nws tau txais daim npav tog." Kuv ntog thiab mloog li nees nkaum feeb dab tsi cov menyuam teb txog koom tes nrog "daim npav koom ua tswv cuab" thiab qhov seem. Nws lom zem heev, tab sis kuv tsis paub, tej zaum koj yuav tsum tau tham nrog menyuam yaus li ntawd, tom qab hnub nyoog kaum rau txhua yam yuav meej rau lawv.
Kuv tsuas yog saib hauv phau ntawv xov xwm "Cov Kws Ua Hluas", qhov twg diplomas ntawm cov kawm tiav ntawm Lub Tsev Kawm Ntawv Repin hauv St. Petersburg tau luam tawm, thiab kuv xav: qhov kev xav zoo li cas - xws li qhov kev xav uas lawv tau sau txawm tias xyoo 1950, lossis hauv xyoo 1960, lawv yog li ntawd tsis haum rau lub tswv yim niaj hnub ntawm kev ua haujlwm dab tsi yuav tsum yog. Koj tuaj yeem nres tau thaum lub sijhawm twg? Peb txoj kev kawm yog txaus ntshai, yog li peb yuav tsis kov ntawm qhov no.
Lub ntsiab lus ntawm kev kos duab hauv nroog rau koj yog dab tsi?
– Nag hmo peb tau mus rau ib qho kev ua yeeb yam hauv lub Nruab Nrab Sab Hnub Poob ntawm Cov Neeg Ua Yeeb Ncuab thiab raug sau cia - Kuv xav tias lawv tau ua los ntawm daim ntawv lossis tshuab pa - txog ob qho haujlwm los ntawm Andrei Bartenev, tus dais thiab tus nab. Hahaha lom zem kawg li os. Tej yam uas yuav tsum tau hais rau ib tug neeg, thiab thaum lawv tsis nyob nrog, muaj kev xav txawv txawv.
Thiab koj qhov kev teeb tsa "Hloov Hloov", rau leej twg?
– Cov no yog cov nuj nqis txiav tawm ntawm cov plywood, muaj 120 ntawm lawv, lawv tau qhia rau ntau lub tebchaws, thiab nws txhua tus pib nrog Central Tsev Neeg Ua Si. Kuv ntseeg tias tus kws ua yeeb yam yuav tsum qhia nws lub sijhawm. Thaum kuv saib cov haujlwm ntawm lub sijhawm kaum tsib los yog xyoo pua, kuv pom meej meej li lub sijhawm lawv hais los. Thaum kuv saib Dutch tseem muaj sia nyob, Kuv xav txog lub tsev Dutch uas muaj chav txias me me qhov chaw me me cozy dai rau. Koj tuaj rau ntawm Louvre, saib ntawm lub voj voog triumphal ntawm Maria Medici Rubens, thiab koj nkag siab tias vim li cas cov haujlwm loj no tau tsim. Lawv tsis tuaj yeem sawv cev hauv txhua lub tsev cia puav pheej tshiab. Tus kws kos duab yuav tsum tso nws lub siab rau ib lub sijhawm.
Lub nroog yog tus neeg nquag saib xyuas koj txoj haujlwm. Dab tsi yog qhov nroog rau koj? Hauv lub nroog twg koj xav nyob zoo?
– Kuv ib txwm nyiam Moscow. Rov qab, Kuv hlub qub Moscow, Kuv loj hlob nyob hauv plawv nroog ntawm Moscow, ntawm Plyushchikha. Txhua lub tsev zoo nkauj kawg. Kuv loj hlob hauv ib lub tsev txij thaum pib ntawm lub xyoo pua 20th, qhov chaw muaj cov nplua nuj zoo nkauj-iav qhov rais, qhov chaw muaj tsov ntxhuav hau tuav cov saw, coffered ceilings, ob lub staircases dub thiab ib lub qhov rooj, nyob hauv ib chav tsev muaj ib tug ciav. Ntawd yog, Kuv tau nyob hauv ib lub tsev uas nyuaj rau nws tsis yog tus kws kos duab, vim nws txhua tus tau teeb tsa kuv kom qhuas thiab npau suav. Qhov yuav luag tau zoo yog thaum “cov neeg Lavxias tshiab” yuav txhua chav tsev nyob ntawd, lawv tau khob tej qhov rooj zoo nkauj zoo nkauj coj mus muag rau lub plhu - npuas ua rau iav muaj hlau sib txuas - thiab ua tej phab ntsa dawb.
Tag nrho kuv lub neej kuv nyiam qhov chaw, Kuv nyiam Arbat, uas kuv tau mus rau lub tsev kawm kos duab. Kuv kawm txawv Tretyakov Gallery. Zamoskvorechye. Cov pawg ntseeg twg thiaj muaj nyob! Dab tsi cathedrals! Thiab tom qab ntawd nws tau pib ua kom tsis zoo, kom tawg. Ib qho chaw ua dev nyob ib sab ntawm Lub Tsev Kawm Gnessin - qhov tseeb, Novy Arbat dhau los ntawm nws. Kuv nco qab tias nws txaus ntshai heev rau kuv.
Tam sim no, txhua zaus kuv mus rau hauv Moscow, kuv saib nrog kev mob siab txog yam tshwm sim hauv nroog: ua ntej peb lub qhov muag txhua yam hloov, txhua yam kev tsis zoo, txhua yam puas tsuaj. Thiab dab tsi tseem yuav siv sij hawm li ntawv monstrous uas nws yog qhov nyuaj thiab mob heev saib nws.
Cov neeg ua hauj lwm kho ntaub ntawv ntawm Archi.ru xav ua tsaug rau tus tsim ntawm Artdecision Irina Vernichenko rau nws cov kev pab hauv kev sib tham.
