Levon Airapetov thiab Valeria Preobrazhenskaya, TOTEMENT / DAIM NTAWV
Keeb kwm ntawm Totement / Paper bureau muaj txiaj ntsig thiab muaj lub siab zoo raws li qhov muaj tswv yim muaj txiaj ntsig ntawm nws cov thawj coj Levon Airapetov thiab Valeria Preobrazhenskaya. Tau 10 lub xyoo dhau los txij li nws lub hauv paus, pab pawg tau ceeb toom cov xov xwm ntxiv nrog cov phiaj xwm nrov thiab zoo nkauj, xws li kev sib tw ua haujlwm ntawm Opera House hauv Busan, Tsev khaws puav pheej Guggenheim hauv Helsinki thiab Lavxias Pavilion ntawm Expo 2010 hauv Shanghai, uas tau ua tiav, tab sis nrog qhov sib txawv ntawm tus sau lub hom phiaj. Xyoo no, lub tsev khaws puav pheej-chaw tsim khoom ntawm cognac hauv Chernyakhovsk tau mus ncig ntawm cov nplooj ntawv yuav luag txhua cov thawj coj xov xwm zoo nkauj hauv ntiaj teb thiab tau mus txog qhov kawg ntawm World Architecture Festival (WAF), qhov twg hauv kev xaiv tsa "Kab lis kev cai" nws yuav los sib tw nrog cov vaj tse ntawm "hnub qub" ntawm lub ntiaj teb kos duab.
Txhua qhov haujlwm ntawm pab pawg tau txawv los ntawm qhov tsis txaus siab ntawm kev ua haujlwm nrog qhov chaw, qauv thiab plasticity. Ntxiv rau, cov thawj coj ntawm Totement / Daim Ntawv tau tsim lawv tus kheej kom zoo nkauj thiab lub tswv yim kev ntseeg uas txhais tau lawv txoj kev mus rau lub tsev kawm ntawv thiab ua raws li nws, txawm tias muaj teeb meem hauv kev ua pov thawj lawv rooj plaub rau cov neeg siv khoom. Lawv lees tias lawv ua haujlwm mus ib txhis thiab muaj lub luag haujlwm rau kev ua haujlwm zoo rau nws thiab rau lawv tus kheej xwb.
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Levon Airapetov thiab Valeria Preobrazhenskaya
Totement / Paper Bureau Bureaus paub tias:
Valeria Preobrazhenskaya: Peb tsis pom zoo nyob hauv tus qauv hais tias architecture tuaj yeem yog qhov zoo lossis tsawg. Peb pom zoo nrog Bulgakov.
Levon Airapetov: Muaj architecture los yog tsis muaj architecture, uas yog txhua yam.
V. P.: Koj taug kev ntawm txoj kev, nroog, txoj kev, thiab tom qab ntawd bam, koj pom - qhov no yog architecture!
L. A.: Qhov no sib txawv. Nws tseem tsis tas yuav tsum raug ntsuas, ua tau zoo lossis tsis zoo.
V. P.: Puas yog architecture lossis tsis. Peb tsis ntsuas seb nws puas zoo? Nws puas nyob hauv lub tsev no?
L. A.: Los ntawm peb qhov kev xav, architecture yog ib txwm tsis muaj kev ua tau zoo. Nws yog nws muaj lossis nws tsis yog. Muaj kiag li shitty tsawg-zoo architecture. Niaj hnub no lub Parthenon yog qhov tsis zoo-architecture, nws yog qhov kev rhuav tshem tag nrho, tsis ua haujlwm, tsis muaj haujlwm, tsis muaj txhua yam nyob puag ncig. Dab tsi yog qhov zoo?
L. A.: Qhov zoo siab tau hnov yog dab tsi?
V. P.: Koj muaj qeb kom zoo, yog tias koj txiav txim siab tias nws yog … Yog li, tom qab ntawd koj tuaj yeem piv lub Parthenon, piv txwv li, nrog rau Pantheon.
L. A.: Tam sim no ib tug txiv neej los, nws tsis paub txhua yam dab tsi yog qhov tseeb, txawm tias lub raj nplaim hauv kem raug kos kom raug lossis tsis yog, hauv paus, nws pom nws thawj zaug. Nws tsis paub, kos tau zoo, kos suab tsis zoo. Qhov no tsis yog Filippov. Txawm tias 80% ntawm cov kws ua vaj tsev yuav tuaj, ua yeeb yam rau lawv, thiab lawv yuav hais tias: nws zoo nkauj tej zaum. Nws yog crap txawm. Lawv tsis paub dab tsi ntxiv txog nws, lawv nco qab tias ib zaug ntawm lub koom haum, qee yam ntawm Ionic … Qhov twg cov txiaj no tau qhwv, yuav ua li cas - nws tsis nco qab. Nws tsis tuaj yeem hais tias yog khoom ua tau zoo lossis tsis yog.
L. A.: Koj tuaj yeem tsim tib Parthenon. Tam sim no thev naus laus zis raug tso cai los tsim tsawg kawg kaum Ib Leeg.
V. P.: Cov lus nug yog dab tsi architecture yuav tsum tau ntaus nqi rau. Yog tias architecture yog kos duab, ces koj tsis tuaj yeem ntsuas [nws] qhov zoo.
L. A.: Yog tias - thev naus laus zis, ces super: tau ua qhov yog, raug yuam.
V. P.: Thiab peb kho nws raws li kev kos duab, vim tias txhua tsav txhua yam yog khoom siv tes ua. Nws muaj nyob hauv qhov txiaj ntsig uas tus kws kes duab vajtse ua. […] Kev kos duab tsis yog [ntsuas], thiab qhov no yog qhov qhia kom meej architecture thiab tsis architecture rau peb.
L. A.: Yuav tsum muaj txoj sia nyob. Architecture yog tus ruam yam, yooj yim, tab sis nws muaj peb yam, tsis muaj qhov nws tsis yog. Ob lub dag thiab ib qho… Nws yuav tsum muaj ciam teb, muaj duab thiab yuav tsum muaj ob qhov chaw. Yog hais tias sab hauv yog, sab nraud yog los ntawm kev txhais. Thiab tus neeg uas txuas lus nrog cov khoom no. Vim tias yog nws tsis nyob ntawd, nws tseem tsis tau paub tseeb tias leej twg yuav ua tim khawv los ntawm leej twg. Txhua tus so: lub teeb, duab ntxoo, pob zeb, hlau, ecology, hluav taws xob - qhov no yog txhua yam tshiab. Tab sis tsuas yog tsis muaj daim ntawv thiab tsis muaj chaw nyob sab hauv, tom qab ntawd txhua yam - tsis muaj kos duab. Qhov no txhais tau tias dhau ntawm daim foos, yuav tsum muaj lwm yam ntxiv, qhov chaw yuav tsum muaj sia nyob. Nws yuav tsum ua pa nrog kuv, lossis kuv yuav tsum ua pa nrog nws. Tab sis yog tias nws tsis ua pa nrog kuv, ces nws tsis yog architecture, rau kuv nws tau tuag. Peb muab ib qho piv txwv txhua lub sijhawm. Puas muaj ib lub plas plooj zoo li plas? Qhov no tsis yog plas, koj tuaj yeem pom tias nws yog tsiaj cov khoom noj. Nws muaj txhua yam: tis, Tail, plaub, tab sis ob lub qhov muag iav. Koj saib thiab hais: nws tuag lawm. Tab sis nyob ntawd, ntawm tus ceg, nws tseem muaj txoj sia nyob. Nws tsis txav, tab sis nws ciaj sia. Thiab koj hais tam sim: qhov no yog khoom tsiaj, thiab tus no yog ib tus plas. Thiab koj tsis tas yuav piav dab tsi.
[Nrog architecture] koj tsis paub thaum twg nws yuav tawm. Koj yuav tsum npaj kom txhij, koj yuav tsum muaj yees tas li.
V. P.: Thiab thaum koj ua, thaum lub sijhawm ntawd koj qee zaum [xav] dab tsi tshwm sim. Thiab tom qab ntawd koj tsim thiab koj nkag siab - nws ua tsis tiav.
L. A.: Muaj cov phiaj xwm thaum peb paub tseeb tias nws tau txias, thiab thaum peb tsim nws, peb to taub -. Thiab muaj lub sijhawm thaum koj ua nws, thiab nws zoo li tsis muaj dab tsi, thiab tom qab ntawd koj saib - thiab qhov tshwm sim tsis tiav. Koj tsis tuaj yeem kos txhua yam. Hauv paus ntsiab lus, qhov no yog txheej txheem zoo li no - koj cuam tshuam, cuam tshuam, cuam tshuam thiab hais tias: "tus ntawd yog nws, Kuv twb tau sib xyaw nws, Kuv tsis muaj dab tsi ntxiv." Xws li tus ruam tsis muaj txheej txheem.
V. P.: Qee lub sij hawm koj paub tias koj ua yuam kev tsis yog thaum koj kos duab, tab sis thaum koj pom zoo nrog qee tus hauv tus txheej txheem lossis tsis txaus siab. Qhov no kuj yog kev pheej hmoo, vim tias yog tias koj tsis pom zoo [nrog ib tus neeg], koj tuaj yeem plam tag nrho qhov project. Tab sis yog tias koj pom zoo, koj tuaj yeem plam qhov tseem ceeb tshaj plaws hauv txoj haujlwm. Thiab koj xav: Kuv yuav muab rau nws, xyua, xyua. Thiab tom qab ntawd bam - Kuv pom tau hais tias kuv tau poob ntau dua.
L. A.: Cov kws tsim qauv muaj hom kos duab zoo nkauj, tsis zoo li cov ua nkauj, piv txwv. Muaj ntau cov neeg koom nrog, muaj nyiaj ntau, ntau [koom] uas ua nkhaus, ntev dua hauv lub sijhawm. [Nws tshwm sim tias] koj txoj kev txaus siab poob, koj [tsis ntev] yuav, koj tsis muaj zog. Ib qho khoom muaj sia heev, thaum koj nkag siab tias ib tug neeg tau ncaim tsib xyoo ntawm lub neej, lawv pw hauv lub tsev no. Nws tau tawm ntawm [cov xyoo] nyob rau ntawd, tawm tsam rau nws, hno nws caj pas, nws tsis tsaug zog, nws sawv thaum plaub thaum sawv ntxov nrog qhov kev xav "vim li cas kuv [tsis muaj dab tsi] ua haujlwm tawm".
… Hais txog qhov zoo-architecture. Kuv tsav tsheb, tsim tsev Dynamo, hais tias. Lawv ua tau zoo heev. Ob peb lub tsev tseem tab tom ua kom zoo li hauv Moscow. Kuv tsav, thiab whatnots nce mus; Kuv saib nws thiab nkag siab tias nws yog ib lub qhov taub. Thiab tom qab ntawd lawv pib los kua nplaum ntawm lub ntsej muag. Qhov no yog qhov ua tau zoo-tsawg architecture, nws tsis txuas nrog sab hauv txhua. Koj tuaj yeem hloov cov ntsej muag no. Qhov no yog tib yam li kev noj thiab hloov koj lub ntsej muag. Qhov no tsis yog, vim qhov no yog koj lub ntsej muag. Yog tias lub caij tsis txuas nrog lub cev, thiab lub cev tsis muaj tswv yim, ces qhov no tsis yog architecture.
… Nov yog lub tsev [sab nraum qhov rai] rov qab rau kuv - puas yog lub tsev lag luam no? Kuv xav tias yog tus kws hu ua vajtse no raug hu, nws tseem yuav qhia txog yam nws xav ua, yam nws tab tom nrhiav. Kuv ntseeg tias nws yuav tsum tsis txhob pub ua qhov no ib zaug. Los yog cov qauv ua vaj tsev yuav tsum txiav txim siab: txij li muaj xya txhiab tus neeg thiab lawv yuav tsum nyob hauv ib qho chaw, cia ib leeg tawm ib cov lej ntawm cov neeg, hu rau lawv ib yam dab tsi thiab cia lawv tsim qhov no. Peb yuav sau lawv cov qauv, cov txheej txheem, phau ntawv qhia, cia lawv ua. Thiab peb yuav ua architecture thiab peb yuav hais tias nws yog architecture.
V. P.: Tsis ntseeg [nyob rau haujlwm] yog qhov qub. Yog tias tus neeg tsis sim, yog nws tsuas ua paj ntaub, nws kuj yuav ua rau muaj kev ua xyem xyav me me. Cov khoom siv tes ua ib txwm sim ua kom dhau ntawm nws tus kheej, ib qho me me kom tawm ntawm nws tus kheej, los ntawm paj ntaub.
L. A.: Muaj lub sijhawm nyob rau lub sijhawm uas yuav tsum tau ua [txoj haujlwm], vim tias tom qab ntawd lub zog ntawm lub phiaj xwm ploj mus. Koj so thiab koj qhov kev xav tau tawm hauv koj lub taub hau. Koj pib xav: "Tej zaum …". Thiab yog txhua yam. Thiab yuav tsum mloog zoo li rab ntaj.
… Thiab yam no yuav tsum ua ntej koj paub tias nws yog, ua ntej koj tsim nws. Koj yuav tsum tuav qhov no, lawv yuav tsoo koj, lawv yuav nkaug koj, nkaug koj txhua lub sijhawm, thiab yog tias koj cia li pib tsis ntseeg ib qho twg hauv nruab nrab, lawv yuav zuaj koj, lawv tsuas yuav tsoo koj hle. Thiab koj tus kheej yuav tawm.
V. P.: Thaum koj ua tau twb tsis ntseeg lawm. [Cov tsis ntseeg yuav tuaj yeem ua siab ntev] thaum koj muaj kev xaiv, thaum koj tab tom txiav txim siab. Tab sis nyob rau hauv cov txheej txheem, koj tseem raug yuam kom txiav txim siab. Qhov kuv tau hais lawm yog qhov koj xav yuav tsis nyob mus pom nws qhov ua tiav, txawm hais tias nws yog ib qho twg.
… [Nyob hauv txoj haujlwm] yuav tsum muaj qhov muaj peev xwm ua kom muaj kev sib fwm, vim tias tsis li koj yuav tsis paub dab tsi. Koj yuav yog ib tug kws tsim vajtse Leonidov uas tsis tau ua dab tsi hlo li.
L. A.: Ntawm qhov tod tes, nws tseem nyob tus kws kes duab vajtse. Koj yuav tsum saib koj lub cev tas li thiab nkag siab tias koj tus kheej raug tua.
V. P.: Thiab qhov tseem ceeb tshaj plaws yog tias koj, uas yog kws kos tsev, yuav tsum paub txog tias koj tua lossis tsis tua. Qee lub sij hawm tom qab qhov tseeb.
L. A.: Tsis muaj leej twg paub tsuas yog koj. Cov neeg sab nraud tsis saib xyuas. Cov no tsis yog lawv cov menyuam, lawv xav tau qee yam kev tshwm sim. Txhua tus neeg xav tau los ntawm koj. Txawm hais tias txhua tus neeg thuam thiab hais tias koj xav koj tus kheej yog tswv ntuj uas tsim qee yam. Yog lawm, lawv tsis xav, lawv yog. Cov tib neeg tsim cov khoom uas tom qab ntawd siv los ntawm billions tom qab 500 xyoo - ib txwm muaj, lawv yog tswv ntuj. Tsuas yog tsis yog cov uas tau thov Vajtswv rau. Lawv tsim cov khoom uas muaj hnub nyoog 500 xyoo, koj mus cuag lawv, thiab ib yam dab tsi los ntawm qhov ntawd. Tom qab tag nrho, ib yam dab tsi mus?
