Perot Pouliise thiab Jan-Willem Bayense, cov koom tes de Architecten CIE
- Cib thiab clinker facades nyob hauv koj cov phiaj xwm Dutch thiab Lavxias. Koj puas siv cov khoom no sib txawv hauv Moscow dua li hauv tebchaws Netherlands, lossis thaj chaw kho tsev tsis tseem ceeb dua lwm qhov xwm txheej?
Plaub Poulise:
- Peb siv nws ntau dua los yog tsawg dua qub - yooj yim vim hais tias cov txheej txheem ntawm kev tso cib ntawm lub ntsej muag tsis sib txawv ntau, tab sis tseem muaj txhua lub sijhawm tshwj xeeb, nyob ntawm qhov xwm txheej, nyob ntawm qhov chaw uas lub tsev tau qhia tseg, yuav ua li cas cov vaj tse puag ncig nws zoo saib. Ntawd yog, muaj qhov sib txawv.
Jan-Willem Bayens:
- Tsis tas li ntawd rau peb qhov project Moscow Vander Park, peb siv lub cib ntev tshaj li peb yuav muaj nyob hauv Netherlands: ntev dua thiab loj dua.
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zooming 1/4 Vander Park thaj chaw nyob hauv Moscow Yees Duab © Daniil Annenkov. Muab los ntawm Hagemeister
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- Koj puas pom zoo tias clinker yog cov khoom siv hauv nroog loj tuaj yeem siv los tsim cov nroog zoo hauv cov cheeb tsam kev tsim kho tshiab, hauv thaj chaw qub kev lag luam, thiab lwm yam - piv rau cov chaw hauv nroog?
Plaub Poulise:
- Yog, peb pom zoo txhua yam. Yog tias koj saib Amsterdam, lub nroog uas peb qhov chaw ua haujlwm nyob, nws yog lub npe nrov rau nws cov tsev nyob ntawm cov kwj dej, uas tau ua ntawm cov pob zeb, thiab cov tsev no tau zoo nkauj heev, txawm tias lawv twb muaj hnub nyoog ntau pua xyoo lawm. Thiab nyob rau hauv qhov kev txiav txim zoo, Kuv xav tias tam sim no cib yog ntau yam hauv nroog cov ntaub ntawv dua li nyob deb nroog.
Jan-Willem Bayens:
- Koj tseem yuav tsum nco ntsoov qhov deb ntawm qhov uas koj pom lub tsev. Ntawm no peb tab tom sawv plaub metres los ntawm ib lub cib ntsa thiab tuaj yeem ua tawm txhua qhov sib txawv ntawm cov cib thiab cov ntsiab lus. Sab nraum lub nroog, koj yuav tau tsav tsheb los ntawm kev nrawm ntawm 80 km / teev, thiab txhua lub ntsej muag tseem yog thaj chaw tiaj xwb.
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zooming 1/5 Vander Chaw Ua Si thaj chaw nyob hauv Moscow Yees Duab © Daniil Annenkov. Muab los ntawm Hagemeister
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zooming 2/5 Vander Park thaj chaw nyob hauv Moscow Yees Duab © Daniil Annenkov. Muab los ntawm Hagemeister
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zooming 3/5 Vander Park thaj chaw nyob hauv Moscow Yees Duab © Daniil Annenkov. Muab los ntawm Hagemeister
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zooming 5/5 Vander Park thaj chaw nyob hauv Moscow Yees Duab © Daniil Annenkov. Muab los ntawm Hagemeister
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zooming 1/3 Vander Chaw Ua Si thaj chaw nyob hauv Moscow Yees Duab © Daniil Annenkov. Muab los ntawm Hagemeister
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zooming 2/3 Vander Park thaj chaw nyob hauv Moscow Yees Duab © Daniil Annenkov. Muab los ntawm Hagemeister
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zooming 3/3 Vander Park thaj chaw nyob hauv Moscow Yees Duab © Daniil Annenkov. Muab los ntawm Hagemeister
- Koj qhov Vander Park project yog qhov chaw tsim khoom loj nyob ze ciam teb ntawm Moscow, hauv qhov chaw nyuaj heev. Clinker tau ua haujlwm li cas hauv cov xwm txheej no?
Plaub Poulise:
- Yog lawm, cov khoom siv ntawm cov chaw nyob hauv tsev no yog cov cib, tab sis ua ntej kuv hais dab tsi txog nws, kuv yuav tsum hais meej tias qhov phiaj xwm tshwj xeeb heev vim muaj qhov ntom ntom thiab vim tias kom haum rau cov haujlwm peb yuav tsum faib tag nrho cov ntim ntawm cov tsev mus rau cov pej thuam sib txawv, uas yog, peb tau tsim ib hom nroog hauv me me. Qhov no yog cov txheej txheem ntawm cov khoom siab siab uas muaj qhov zoo sib xws, vim tias cov pej thuam yog hom yooj yim heev, uas koj "extrude" ib theem hauv qab los ntawm sab saum toj mus rau saum ru tsev heev.
Qhov nyuaj rau peb yog qhov xav tau los tsim lub zej zog hauv cov chaw uas cov pej xeem tuaj yeem txheeb xyuas nrog cov ntu ntawm Vander Park qhov chaw lawv nyob. Ntawd yog, ntawm ib sab tes, av ci tau siv los ua cov khoom lag luam ib puag ncig zoo rau hauv kev sib piv nrog txhua lub vaj huam sib luag lub tsev nyob ib puag ncig, thiab ntawm qhov tod tes, peb siv cib ntawm cov xim sib txawv, uas tau muab txhua yam ntawm peb cov yees ib tus kheej. Tsuas muaj peb hom cib, peb xim, tab sis, li cas los xij, tag nrho cuaj lub yees, ua tsaug rau kev hloov hauv lawv cov ntau thiab cov khoom sib txawv, txhua tus tau txais lawv tus kheej daim duab thiab tus cwj pwm.
- Clinker, av ci yog cov khoom siv qub, tab sis nws tseem nyob rau hauv qhov kev thov zoo: vim li cas nws pab tau rau cov kws tsim txuj ci niaj hnub no?
Jan-Willem Bayens:
- Hauv Holland, nws yog cov khoom siv tau zoo tshaj plaws, vim tias nws ib leeg muaj hnub nyoog zoo nyob rau hauv peb qhov chaw noo heev, cua hlob heev - thiab cov kws ua lag luam paub paub siv nws zoo, yog li nws kuj pheej yig. Thiab nyob rau hauv Russia nws muaj qhov no ntev-ntev zoo ntawm "ruaj khov", uas yog twb tau ntau pua xyoo - thiab uas ua haujlwm nyob txhua qhov chaw.
Tako Postma, tus khub TSHAJ kws kes duab vajtse
- Yuav ua li cas clinker muaj txiaj ntsig zoo hauv kev tsim tib neeg-nruab nrab hauv nroog chaw rau thaj chaw loj hlob tshiab xws li Zuidas hauv Amsterdam?
- Peb ib txwm sim tsim cov tsev uas muaj neeg zoo dua, muaj kev sib koom tes ntau dua, thiab tib neeg pom tias qhov av me me loj, lawv tuaj yeem qhia tau los ntawm nws tias lub tsev loj npaum li cas. Nyob rau hauv Zuidas, peb tau raug yuam kom muaj cov tsev tshiab, uas yuav tsum tshwm nyob nruab nrab ntawm cov chaw ua haujlwm, txij li Zuidas tau tsim los ua lub tuam txhab kev lag luam, thiab tom qab ntawd lub nroog tau txiav txim siab los ua lub chaw tsim kho kom muaj kev sib xyaw. Ntawd yog, peb yuav tsum hloov thaj chaw no los ntawm thaj tsam chaw ua lag luam mus rau thaj chaw zoo nkauj thiab muaj ntau qhov chaw nyob. Txhawm rau qhia tias cov tsev tshiab no txawv ntawm qhov seem, peb tau txiav txim siab siv cib. Cov neeg tam sim ntawd pom cov vaj tse no yog cov phiaj xwm thaj, kom lawv pom - los ntawm cov khoom siv no - tias thaj chaw tau hloov pauv. Thiab peb tau ua qhov no nrog clinker.
- Cov nroog Dutch muaj cov kev nplua nuj zoo heev thiab keeb kwm ntev los ntawm kev ua lag luam cib. Koj xav li cas txog nws? Puas yog koj ua kom zoo dua qhov kev lig kev cai no, lossis xav nrhiav qhov tshiab, niaj hnub siv los ua thwv cib thiab clinker?
Hauv keeb kwm, cov av cib tau siv los ua cov khoom siv hauv tsev, tab sis tam sim no lawv tau siv los rau ntaub, yog li, vim li ntawd, peb kev ua haujlwm txawv heev ntawm kev coj ua. Tab sis peb sim mus rau hauv kev sib cuag nrog nws, nkag siab txog kev siv cib coj li cas, nws ntsia li cas, koj yuav ua li cas masonry tshiab kom nws txuas nrog kev lig kev cai, tab sis kuj tseem tshuav qee yam tshwj xeeb, tej yam niaj hnub. Kuv xav hais tias peb txoj haujlwm yog nyob hauv nruab nrab.
- Inbo cov dej num muaj cov ntsiab lus teb heev: clinker pab koj ua tiav qhov no li cas?
“Raws li kuv tau hais, hauv clinker tej yaam num, peb ib txwm sim ua kom ntsib nrog cov ntsiab lus teb. Thiab peb ntseeg tias peb tsim qauv rau hauv nroog loj, peb yeej tsis tsim ib lub tsev nkaus xwb, tab sis sim muab ib yam dab tsi ntxiv rau hauv ib puag ncig hauv nroog nrog nws. Thiab clinker pab txuas txuas lub tsev tshiab nrog cov ib puag ncig - txoj kev uas peb siv cov khoom siv no yog ib txoj hauv kev ua tiav lub hom phiaj no.
- Koj qee zaum siv clinker ua ib feem ntawm cov palette muaj ntau haiv neeg, zoo li hauv Intermezzo thaj ntauwd. Koj cov lus qhia yog dab tsi thaum xaiv cov khoom sib txuas ua ke thiab clinker gradings?
- Qhov no yog cov lus nug nyuaj heev, vim tias, ntawm chav kawm, feem ntau yog kev txhawj xeeb nrog lub teeb thiab thaj chaw muaj pes tsawg leeg, thiab thaum koj ua haujlwm, koj ib txwm xaiv cov ntaub ntawv tshwj xeeb heev rau cov haujlwm tshwj xeeb. Tab sis, piv txwv, piv txwv li ntawm Intermezzo, peb tau tsim lub tsev hauv ntau qhov chaw, muaj ntau yam xim thiab qhov sib txawv, thiab peb tau txiav txim siab tias peb xav ntxiv lub teeb tsev nyob rau ntawd. Thiab lub tsev teeb pom kev hauv tebchaws Netherlands ib txwm muaj kev sib tw loj, vim tias huab cua hnyav heev, yog li nws yuav tam sim ntawd qias neeg lossis txawm tias ntsuab. Yog li ntawd, peb tau siv cov clinker nyuaj los ntawm ib qho ntawm Hagemeister qib teeb lub teeb. Tab sis peb kuj xav kom lub tsev ua cov xim tib yam, tab sis tseem muaj qhov sib txawv ntawm cov plag tsev, saum thiab hauv qab. Yog li ntawd, peb tau txiav txim siab siv pob zeb ntuj rau theem qis, qhov chaw ntawm cov tsev sib txawv muaj qhov sib txawv dua li lwm lub tsev. Thiab peb pom lub pob zeb hu ua "dawb kub", nws yog yuav luag xim tib yam li clinker, yog li peb muaj peev xwm ua kom tig ntsia ntawm ntau qhov ntau thiab cov qauv hauv ntau qhov chaw ntawm lub faadeade, tab sis ntawm tib xim, kom lub tsev tig mus. tawm yuav tsum tau iconic thiab siv tau. Thaum lub hnub poob qis, peb pom tiag tiag yuav ua li cas "kub" ntawm lub ntsej muag ci ntsej muag me ntsis. Nov yog txoj hauv kev muaj txiaj ntsig zoo los sib txuas ua ke ob cov ntaub ntawv no.
